tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post5970302524364816176..comments2024-03-14T00:37:58.663-07:00Comments on Firearms History, Technology & Development: Spurious Guns - 1The Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16500376725481184982noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-53792892952810253722016-04-22T15:25:11.114-07:002016-04-22T15:25:11.114-07:00Hi Zac,
The practice of making fake copies of ...Hi Zac,<br /> The practice of making fake copies of well-known makers had been going on for several years, especially during the 19th and early 20th centuries, because international trademark laws weren't strongly enforced then. Even in the 21st century, you can still find fake firearm clones. It is quite possible that some of these "spurious weapons" could have been produced before the Civil War. <br /><br />Regards,<br />The EditorThe Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16500376725481184982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-73535661152838237162016-04-22T05:04:24.886-07:002016-04-22T05:04:24.886-07:00What years would these "spurious weapons"...What years would these "spurious weapons" been produced? Would they pre-date the Civil War? Thanks, ZacAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01227731234471822409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-24514962095342830752015-05-24T18:10:39.497-07:002015-05-24T18:10:39.497-07:00Hi Editor
Yes of course, I made a mistake in writi...Hi Editor<br />Yes of course, I made a mistake in writing the dates, I wanted to say between 1832 and 1864. <br />Thanks for everything<br />Sincerly<br />ClaudioAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212727937212991815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-21396327951353009892015-05-21T09:03:39.842-07:002015-05-21T09:03:39.842-07:00Hi Claudio,
What you've described above so...Hi Claudio,<br /> What you've described above sounds likely (except that the date should have been 1832 to 1864, rather than 1932 to 1964). It is possible that "Westley" was the trader and bought the barrels from W&C Scott. It was common for manufacturers of that period to buy parts from several different suppliers, assemble them together and put their own name in big letters on the outside of the gun.<br /><br />Congratulations on your purchase and thank you.The Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16500376725481184982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-42028323534577228372015-05-17T16:52:25.487-07:002015-05-17T16:52:25.487-07:00Hi Editor
Thanks again for the complete explanati...Hi Editor<br /><br />Thanks again for the complete explanation about my shotgun, you're very kind. Very full commentary. <br /><br />Therefore, I understand that I must consider that we are not facing a spurious weapon, but an original, English shotgun, made between 1932 and 1964, closer to the latter date. Could be probably "Westley" has been the lock manufacturer or trader that marketed such shotguns?. <br /><br />After all, beyond any comments, the truth is that it is a robust shotgun and I am a muzzleloader shooter that will use it as soon as posible, of course, previous study of both, black powder charges and suitable ammunition load and which of them are convenient and appropriate. <br /><br />Thank you very much for your efforts and I am in touch for any concerns to be generated.<br /><br />Sincerly,<br /><br />Claudio <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212727937212991815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-8980496420260629092015-05-13T20:54:26.888-07:002015-05-13T20:54:26.888-07:00Hi Claudio,
William and Charles Scott were two br...Hi Claudio,<br /><br />William and Charles Scott were two brothers, who started off a gun making business in Birmingham in 1832 (William started it first and his brother joined the company a little later). From about 1832 to 1862, they were called W & C Scott. After that, William Scott's oldest son, William Middleditch Scott, joined as a partner and the company became W & C Scott & Son. Later on, William Scott's other son, James Charles Scott, also joined the company. In the beginning, the company was a "trade manufacturer", which means they were a supplier for other manufacturers (e.g.) they made barrels for Purdey. Several Birmingham and London gunmakers bought parts and complete guns from them. Quite a few manufacturers sold complete Scott guns under their own names (including quite a few top London manufacturers). They became known as a manufacturer of high quality double barreled shotguns under their own name later.<br /><br />In the US, they sold shotguns under the name of W&C Scott & Son, but in England, they were still heavily involved in the subcontracting business and were used as a part supplier by both expensive and cheap manufacturers. In fact, they were one of the largest trade manufacturers in the world at one time. Scott guns were made in A, B and C qualities. Their A quality guns were usually sold with the W & C Scott & Son name and most B and C quality guns and gun parts were usually sold under other manufacturers names, although the W&C Scott name would usually be stamped under a hidden part of the barrel. <br /><br />In 1897, they combined with Webley to form Webley & Scott, who you may have heard of, as they are famous for their revolvers and are still in business currently.The Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16500376725481184982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-7369177711285933872015-05-12T19:18:46.147-07:002015-05-12T19:18:46.147-07:00Hi Editor
I have examinated the rest of the barrel...Hi Editor<br />I have examinated the rest of the barrel and i could find a litle mark like a "U" or something similar. I send you the URL to see the pictures. I hope it could help.<br />The URL of them are:<br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/he2b9snhf/][img]http://s5.postimg.org/he2b9snhf/IMG_20150422_201904512.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/sc8ze8moz/][img]http://s5.postimg.org/sc8ze8moz/IMG_20150422_201943663.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />Do you have any information about William and Charles Scott?<br />Thanks for all your effort.<br />Sincerly,<br />ClaudioAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212727937212991815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-57405646901046684832015-04-21T22:08:40.983-07:002015-04-21T22:08:40.983-07:00Hi Claudio,
This picture (http://postimg.org/i...Hi Claudio,<br /> This picture (http://postimg.org/image/n23utt4vf/) is interesting, because those marks look like they are from the Birmingham Proof House. Are there any other marks along with these? The picture also shows W & C.S, which could be William and Charles Scott. It is interesting though that the top rib picture (http://postimg.org/image/mvq5qpvqj/) shows "LONDON", but no actual address. Perhaps this was a trade gun made by a smaller manufacturer? Are there any other markings on the insides of the action or the underside of the barrel?<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />The EditorThe Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16500376725481184982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-20503707196154448432015-04-21T11:03:46.460-07:002015-04-21T11:03:46.460-07:00Dear Editor,
I send you the URL links and I hope ...Dear Editor,<br /><br />I send you the URL links and I hope that thouse will help to identify it.<br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/cqil6k90t/][img]http://s22.postimg.org/cqil6k90t/IMG_20150414_213134188_1.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/7ql4ym3e5/][img]http://s22.postimg.org/7ql4ym3e5/IMG_20150414_213235458_1.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/3kswv8gkx/][img]http://s16.postimg.org/3kswv8gkx/IMG_20150414_213053885_1.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/vgyllip69/][img]http://s16.postimg.org/vgyllip69/IMG_20150414_213116846_1.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/n23utt4vf/][img]http://s17.postimg.org/n23utt4vf/IMG_20150414_212518387_1.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/u95jpofsb/][img]http://s17.postimg.org/u95jpofsb/IMG_20150414_212532439_1.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/mvq5qpvqj/][img]http://s17.postimg.org/mvq5qpvqj/IMG_20150414_212554318_1.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/62uwejtnv/][img]http://s17.postimg.org/62uwejtnv/IMG_20150414_212949383_1.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/lpm5rx7fv/][img]http://s17.postimg.org/lpm5rx7fv/IMG_20150414_213001658_1.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />[url=http://postimg.org/image/uzy9vgi5n/][img]http://s17.postimg.org/uzy9vgi5n/IMG_20150414_213028878_1.jpg[/img][/url]<br /><br />If you need any other picture, please let me know.<br />Thanks for all your effort.<br />Sincerly,<br />Claudio<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212727937212991815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-3108515517769627162015-04-20T20:17:35.190-07:002015-04-20T20:17:35.190-07:00Hi Claudio,
You can probably publish the pict...Hi Claudio,<br /> You can probably publish the pictures on a free image sharing site (such as http://postimage.org/) and then post the URL links here. That way, the images can be seen by other readers of this blog and maybe someone will know more about it.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />The EditorThe Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16500376725481184982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-47478372203392404272015-04-17T12:06:58.571-07:002015-04-17T12:06:58.571-07:00Dear Editor
Thaks for the answer, I have a lot of ...Dear Editor<br />Thaks for the answer, I have a lot of pictures of this gun, but I do not know wath I have to do to send you thouse. Do you have any private e-mail that I can use to send them?<br />Thanks for your effort and excuse me.<br />Sincerly,<br />ClaudioAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212727937212991815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-60240073269908518352015-04-15T19:38:43.275-07:002015-04-15T19:38:43.275-07:00Hi Claudio,
I don't believe there is any ...Hi Claudio,<br /> I don't believe there is any English gunmaker named "Westley" alone (at least, not a famous one). Also, it was common for Belgian manufacturers to put meaningless words like "English Twist" on the barrels in big letters, to give the impression that the firearm was made in England. A good clue to the origin of the firearm can be the proof marks, which should be visible if you disassemble the barrels from the stock. If you see Belgian proof marks there, it is almost certainly a fake. See http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2011/01/testing-firearms-proof-test.html for details of what English and Belgian proof marks look like. Please post the pictures of the firearm, especially the proof marks here, if you need help identifying it.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />The EditorThe Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16500376725481184982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9038805453913133808.post-63107671121589470322015-04-15T19:04:02.247-07:002015-04-15T19:04:02.247-07:00I have recently purchased what I suppose is an Old...I have recently purchased what I suppose is an Old English Shotgun. It has engraved on both locks the word "Westley". I would like to send you the photos to see if you can help me to identify it. Apparently it is of English manufacture, with barrels made in Birmingham. I would like to know if there was any gunsmith named "Westley" alone (I mean no “Westley Richards”). What I have to do to send the photos?<br />Sincerely<br />Claudio Fernandez from Argentina<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212727937212991815noreply@blogger.com